Parkeerverbod en parkeerstrook

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Oleh

Parkeerverbod en parkeerstrook

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Hi,

In Wespelaar-Tildonk, just next to the trainstation, there are demarkated parking areas on the same level as roadway, but there are also E1 signs forbidding parking. is it allowed to park there or not?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/hX6YwSFoAepjkx8Q6


I could not find anything on this site or other websites. The only answers i could find are from the Netherlands, were E1 sign does not apply to parking areas, and a reference to the court order, according to which it is allowed to park on the road shoulder after E1, due to Vienna convention definitions, which have higher preferences then local laws. Not sure if in Belgium there were any similar cases though

Thank you
Inazuma
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Re: Parkeerverbod en parkeerstrook

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Oleh schreef: 24 nov 2023, 10:31 In Wespelaar-Tildonk, just next to the trainstation, there are demarkated parking areas on the same level as roadway, but there are also E1 signs forbidding parking. is it allowed to park there or not?

https://maps.app.goo.gl/hX6YwSFoAepjkx8Q6
That's what you get when fools manage the roads ...

You are NOT allowed to park there :!:
Though police are unlikely to book you

The E1 signs forbid to park on the road as well as on the verges .

Legally, there is NO marked parking area on these verges anyway :!:

At best, the single width of once-white stones can be seen as the real edge of the roadway.
However they do NOT form a parking area ("parkeerstrook" ) according to Art 75.2 as they are clearly not compliant with it, and do not form an imaginary edge of the roadway.
Hence, these marking do not allow drivers to park there ...

https://www.wegcode.be/nl/regelgeving/1 ... jh74afsfde

I could not find anything on this site or other websites.
Of course not
It's plain misleading of drivers

The only answers i could find are from the Netherlands, were E1 sign does not apply to parking areas, and a reference to the court order, according to which it is allowed to park on the road shoulder after E1, due to Vienna convention definitions
In Belgium, there is no order between traffic signs, which include BOTH road markings and the actual traffic signs.
So both are "equal".

Which doesn't make a difference here, as the marking for the real edge of the roadway doesn't allow one to park on its outside.

Typical application in Belgium is that even a real parking area (parkeerstrook conforming to Art 75.2) gets "overruled" by parking signs banning you from parking there.


No idea how the Dutch solve that issue, because accourding to what you reference, it'd become impossible to ban parking in a parking area ...
Gast

Re: Parkeerverbod en parkeerstrook

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Ok, thank you.

I was always wondering if "parking" places, that do not have any signs or markings, but are done from the different cobblestones are legal or have any reference in the Belgium road code, but could never find it...
Inazuma schreef: 26 nov 2023, 16:01 No idea how the Dutch solve that issue, because accourding to what you reference, it'd become impossible to ban parking in a parking area ...
According to this:
https://www.wegenforum.nl/viewtopic.php?t=20272
They do reverse - they specify when you are allowed to park, instead of forbidding.
Inazuma
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Re: Parkeerverbod en parkeerstrook

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Gast schreef: 26 nov 2023, 18:50
Inazuma schreef: 26 nov 2023, 16:01 No idea how the Dutch solve that issue, because accourding to what you reference, it'd become impossible to ban parking in a parking area ...
According to this:
https://www.wegenforum.nl/viewtopic.php?t=20272
They do reverse - they specify when you are allowed to park, instead of forbidding.
Dat is een optie die we hier ook hebben: Parkeerbeperking bij bord E9 dat parkeren toelaat

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